9 marks criticism

So if I’m putting my theological hero’s words in a place functionally higher than Scripture, I am going to teach that man’s theology in a way that’s imbalanced, overly-aggressive, even abusive. 9 Marks churches do not discern the body of Christ. 8:11). But they might also be very humble, and they donâ t fear you and your opinions like you want them to. Pastoral authoritarianism commands the flesh and makes no appeal to the spiritual new man in the gospel. The passage certainly contains allusions to both Matthew’s Gospel as well as portions of Acts, so it is not inconceivable that it is a part of a later work based on the New Testament writings. Criticism and rejection are part of life, but perhaps particularly part of a writer's life. Never mind that you have not been adequately instructed. This is easy to do when you’ve really been impacted by a man’s ministry. You want their good decisions to grow (super)naturally out of changed hearts and love of Christ. As someone who has written several books on church membership and discipline, I know how easily we can require too much here. Below is a screen shot of her review. Attend Mass on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation. Better to kick out ten true Christians than let one false “Christian” slip into the church! Are we doing membership correctly? In the next part, I will discuss what I feel must be done to address the 9Marks movement. When your paradigm is that it is your job to purify the church, the focus turns inward. It causes me to feel several things at once: Several years ago I was asked to speak at a church about cultivating a culture of discipling. He’s just being himself. In order to become a member, you must sign a confessional statement. You either have women pray publicly or you don’t. Part of being willing to be corrected is being willing to lose elder votes, or being willing to submit to other church leaders. Someone else, commenting on Amazon.com review above, characterized 9Marks as “9Marx.” Clever, right? Remember that. Last week I mentioned that I had discovered 9 Marks Ministries and that I was thrilled to find an organization that is dedicated to recovering many of the traditional marks of a Biblical church. Instead we pray, finally speaking more to God about the brother, than to the brother about God (borrowing from Dietrich Bonhoeffer). She is cut off. Mark Twain spent his time with Nikola Tesla at Tesla 's laboratory. But here was a church that possibly erred in the opposite direction. To the great surprise of his readers he was also patented an improvement in modifiable and removable straps for garments. “Brothers and sisters, think what you were when you were called. Offering counsel on a wide-range of questions from actual readers like you! I realized I had prepared the wrong message. So I would warn the inquiring church member about the very real possibility of sin in attending this wedding, but there’s just enough reserve in me because we’re dealing in the realm of logical implication or application, that I would not move to excommunicate the parent who arrives at a different conclusion than me. And they will learn to trust him, in part, as they learn to trust you because you demonstrate that you are trustworthy. But get this: when we are imbalanced in the reverence and honor we give to a human being over us, we will be imbalanced in what we demand of the human beings under us. Ironically, an emphasis on numbers and outcomes presumes upon the power of human wisdom, human will, human strength. I find it amazing that it has taken so long for me to learn the lessons that I needed. They put to the test those who called themselves apostles, but were really false. 155), Sympathetic: “I’m so sorry you went through that.”, Defensive: “What you’re describing, if it’s accurate, is certainly not what we’ve been teaching, but is a perversion of what 9Marks says.”, Humbled: “I suspect we could do a better job of saying what we’re. Women wearing pants is bad because it blurs the line between biblical manhood and womanhood. All information taken from Donald Hall's Literary and Cultural Theory. They persevered; they endured for His name’s sake. No. The pastor pointed out that there were birds that nested in the large mustard plant. In fact, the assembly’s affirmation of a marriage is part of what makes the wedding a covenant-making ceremony. He is also the author of several books on the church. As noted by the OP, the "problem" is whether the end of Mark (16:9-20) was originally part of Mark's Gospel. I swear, if mention is made of Hebrews 13:17 in a membership class you should immediately scream, get up and run out of the room! To be sure, 9Marks might have opinions about what’s biblical that you don’t share, e.g. Aesthetic criticism is a part of aesthetics concerned with critically judging beauty and ugliness, tastefulness and tastelessness, style and fashion, meaning and quality of design—and issues of human sentiment and affect (the evoking of pleasure and pain, likes and dislikes). It’s our judgment that these are prudential forms for implementing the biblical element of church membership. Mark 6: Be willing to say you don’t know. Can women pray in the church’s gathering? Editor’s Note: This is a guest post authored by Dale Rudiger. They desire to be seen as healthy and holy churches. The transfiguration (Mark 9:2-8), teachings concerning Elijah (Mark 9:9-13), the cure of the lunatic boy (Mark 9:14-29), another prophecy of the Passion (Mark 9:30-32), discussion of who was the greatest (Mark 9:33-37), the unknown wonder-worker (Mark 9:38-42), and a collection of independent maxims uttered by our Lord (Mark 9:43-50), form the subject matter of Mark 9. Martyn Lloyd-Jones. But they wrongly required things not required by Scripture, such as membership in a house-group or having life-decisions “covered” by their house-group leader, elder, or pastor. I’d even say he cultivates a sanctified irreverence toward so many evangelical false pieties. The person who has difficulty saying, “I don’t know,” in the best case, will just come across as a know-it-all. There is a tension between correcting sin and forbearing with one another. Jonathan (@JonathanLeeman) edits the 9Marks series of books as well as the 9Marks Journal. It commends generosity and loving our neighbor with our money, even giving sacrificially. The need for economies of scale is met with consistent and tidy procedures and precise codes of conduct. The beauty of new believers is their unparalleled joy and zeal. They also adopted other unbiblical authority structures. Anyhow, the reviewer did not have a good experience at this church. My applications aimed to stir up the complacent. Mark 14: Rely on the Power of the Word and the Spirit to Change Minds and Hearts. It’s the path to the dark side of authoritarianism. Our church requires membership classes and interviews and signing a statement of faith to join the church, for instance. Legalism and non-biblical rules are a short-cut that might produce good decisions today, but pride or resentment in the long run. of the unfortunate cases of church discipline I have heard about in recent years have occurred in non-congregational churches, where the elders are free to impose their will on the congregation. They are like over-protective “helicopter mom’s” that hover over their children. For churches large and small, however, remember the lesson of a wise parent. Sometimes it means those things. Keeping these two categories explicit and clear puts things in right perspective for me and them. You put on your best “Now I’m the pastor” tone, speak in a vague and ambiguous way with specialized theological vocabulary, and then bring the conversation to a close with the sigh of, “Oh, if you only understood.” The member walks away having lost the argument on the surface of things, but inarticulately sensing that you won that argument by the force of erudition, or personality, or position. Mark 5: Beware being a slave to logic. That could be how you vote. In theory, 9 Marks seemed like a viable plan for how a church should be run. Admittedly, a church might require a few things unspecified by Scripture. For Roman Catholics, they are called the “Five Precepts”: For Muslims, they are called the “Five Pillars”: The Pharisees were excellent rule followers. narrative is more like a path than a picture. At that moment, it felt like this elder loved his vision of the biblical church more than he loved those individuals. I remember overhearing a church elder complain about a family who let their unbaptized children receive the Lord’s Supper when the plate of communion crackers was passed down their pew. Something I appreciate about Mark Dever is that he’s not short on strong opinions, but if you spend any time with him, you’ll discover that he is one of the stronger advocates of Christian freedom I know. When a church becomes self-focused and has turned their eyes from the Savior, the inevitable result is legalism. Can parents attend the wedding of their gay son? But here is something that should belong to our pastoral instincts: except in those places where Christians have agreed for centuries that a doctrinal or ethical position is a legitimate implication or application from Scripture, as with the doctrine of the Trinity, I want something inside of you to feel nervous about binding people’s consciences when you’re out on the tree branch of a logical extension from Scripture. The ending of Mark's Gospel is one of the major textual problems in the New Testament. “No, I’m not…Let me explain why I’m not.”. She is looking for a loving congregation at which to heal. ), the extant manuscript evidence contains essentially four different endings for the book of Mark: (1) the omission of 16:9-20; (2) the inclusion of 16:9-20; (3) the inclusion of 16:9-20 with the insertion of an additional statement between verse 8 and verse 9 that reads: “But they reported briefly to Peter and those with him all that they had been told. She looks forward to … I’m sure congregational churches have failed in this area as well. It roots in a kind of idolatry and godlessness. Dr. Constable summarizes the external evidence concerning verses 9-20: Frankly, the mere fact that a group of elders or pastors in a congregational church must sit in a small elders’ meeting before the big congregational meeting, scratch their heads, and ask themselves, “How are we going to explain this to the church?” tends by itself to moderate their decision-making. 1. Mark starts the parable with ‘hear, see’ (akouete, idou), both of which occur in v. 12 in the quotation of Isaiah” (160-161). These are a very unhealthy traits. And the more charismatic and powerful a leader is, the more this is a risk. And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. They also hold the keys in the matter of excommunication. I turn 60 in a few days. But good decisions come as we teach them slowly, over time, through the careful preaching of God’s Word week after week—drip, drip, drip—as with raising children. Sometimes, yes. It might be wise, but it doesn’t bind the conscience like the Bible does. One of the best defenses again authoritarianism—perhaps unexpectedly to some people—is Reformed theology. [Thank God there was one woman who overcame my shyness and eventually became my wife!]. It was slightly contemptuous, as in, “How could they?! When you know that the people under your authority are God’s, and that you will give an account for your stewardship, you are less likely to take advantage of them; less likely to prize your own wisdom over God’s; less likely to demand respect and honor for yourself, because you know that, when you decrease, he will increase. Abusive rule wilts the flower, starves the herd, crushes the soul. Not many of you were wise by human standards…”, “In God’s providence, I had done a doctorate focusing on a Puritan (Richard Sibbes) whose writings about the individual Christian I loved, but whose concessions on the church came to seem increasingly unwise to me.”, This is what Dever means. I encourage you to check it out! Very often, our best ambitions will be combined with other, less sanctified ambitions, such as the desire for control or honor or respect. They did not tolerate evil men. Self-focus exacerbates the lack of love problem discussed above. 4:1–3). Within the UK market, food and retail industries are finding growth difficult due to economic recession. Mark 1: Embrace the sufficiency of Scripture for leading churches and pastoring people. Did Mark Write Mark 16: 9-20? I recently watched a sermon on Jesus’ parable of the mustard seed. Sometime it’s a sign of humility and the recognition that we are not God. And so is the work of discipling and training our fellow members. Godly authority therefore relies exclusively on the power of God’s gospel Word and God’s Spirit. Most of the critics of Mark Twain do not focus on his interest towards science and scientific researches. Okay, I admit that I am getting old. Mark 10: Beware of giving more authority to your heroes than to the Bible. It has become customary for 9Marks churches to “fence the table.” During  the New Covenant meal, the pastor stresses that the table is restricted to those who are currently, Paul warns the Corinthians not to fence the table. Suddenly she is told that she is not to participate in the Lord’s Supper. We should be very reluctant to require anything not expressly set down in Scripture. Or they will say things like, “I have such a strong justice instinct, I couldn’t stand seeing the injustice done!” And so with a sense of righteous fury and justice, they have attacked the injustice, sought to correct the untruth. Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (MBTS) and 9Marks co-hosted a micro-conference April 1 during The Gospel Coalition’s 2019 national conference that included a question-and-answer session with Jonathan Leeman and Sam Allberry to address recent concerns surrounding a ministry Allberry co-founded called Living Out. It’s not Bible. But the paradigm of 9Marks is to purify the church. The Greek … I was a member of a 9 Marks church in Northern California, which I will never do again. I remember when I was in seminary how, in many of our seminarian minds, the truly godly man looked and sounded like John Piper. Are you in the faith? Keep in mind Dever’s Puritanical paradigm as I share the lessons that I learned attending 9Marks churches, and expose its problems. Mark 12: Love the church more than its health. So we push too hard. The theology concentrates on the sheep’s faults. An immature Christian may need to walk a hundred steps before he arrives at maturity, but a wise pastor seldom asks for more than one step or two. All that to say, those of us who are “truth people” or “justice people”—of which I consider myself one—must beware this potential to employ God’s truth to control or hurt others. I’ve been dramatically impacted by Mark Dever’s life and ministry, to be sure. A third principle is that interpreters should give attention to . In Nine Marks of a Healthy Church, Mark Dever lists what he calls the “Five Special Responsibilities”: [This is the eighth in a series on improper submission: The first article (, Apparently, I am the kind of person who has to learn by making mistakes. Quiet! The stifling legalism of 9Marks leads to stagnant, unhealthy churches. He does this at the weekly service review, for instance. about multi-services. Notice how sensitively Paul puts it: “each should should put something aside as he may prosper” (1 Cor. Sometimes living with a tension is a sign of unfaithfulness. Love thinks no evil. Mark 7: Cultivate a willingness to be corrected. Part and parcel of saying you don’t know is saying that you could also be wrong, which means that you should be willing to be corrected. 1. Think for a moment about the issue of the wounded Christian. To the great surprise of his readers he was also patented an improvement in modifiable and removable straps for garments. I attended, It is now almost 25 years later. “…Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith.”. But make sure you’re not grounding your sense of righteousness in some self-manufactured picture of the pious lifestyle. The early Puritan Richard Sibbes wrote a book entitled. Aesthetic criticism. Thirty-five years ago I was sitting at a minor league baseball game with my wife when I noticed that every single player on the field was younger than me. But Sunday’s congregational meeting will serve as a useful reality check. SHOW NOTES: […] I don’t often hear criticism with language this strong; maybe one or two other times. Receive the Eucharist at least during the Easter season. 3. David Platt, in the Foreword of Dever’s book, writes this about the nine marks: “You may think some of them are questionable and others of them are controversial. One of my favorite verses in the Bible is Hebrews 12:1-2. And I do think this may be more of a temptation for large churches. Or rather, learn to be comfortable with unresolved tensions by practicing Christian forbearance. You’ve heard the phase, “Hurt people hurt people.”. Treating each case uniquely and thoughtfully becomes difficult. And praise God for those men or women he has used to save us, or build us up in the faith, or dramatically changed the way we think in a more biblical direction. One “fruit” of this is the creation of mandatory church covenants. They’ll point to the Bible…and say true things from it. “For first of all, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you.” Paul goes on to rebuke this divisiveness: “For those [divisive ones] who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.”. The pastor spends his time convincing you that you may not have received the correct gospel. Perhaps she has been abused at her former (9Marks?) I believe that the flip side of the self-focus mentioned above is that 9Marks churches have turned their focus away from Jesus. as my dad used to say in such moments. For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 9 Marks churches do not discern the body of Christ. Here’s something unexpected I’ve discovered by watching Dever. Can a church member vote for a pro-choice candidate. In place of true discipleship, the law is used as a mirror to expose false professions. A pastor may have prophecy and great insight, but without love he is nothing. Thus, it is the God-given right for the "church" to decide who is or is not a Christian. She describes it as “insufferable, authoritarian, rigid, legalistic, abusive, controlling, [and] spiritually abusive.” Members were “infantilized.” Power was “concentrated at the top” and had no accountability. I also see him building opportunities into his schedule to be corrected. A. Others are problematic: In general, so many of the decisions we must make pastorally, and so many of the situations we are asked to speak into, are in the realm of implication or application. And then we rest. If you continue browsing the site, you agree to the use of cookies on this website. 3:5–9). For instance, the leaders of the Shepherding Movement of the 1970s were rightly concerned about the weak commitment, shallow community, and general worldliness characteristic of so many American churches. You may unsubscribe at any time. I dare say, the vast majority of the counsel pastors are asked to give requires them to reach into the wisdom bucket, not the absolute principle bucket. For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus ‘sake. True humility, and the true fear of the Lord, doesn’t necessarily mean what Christians often think it means: not having strong convictions, always being willing to shrug your should and say, “Oh, I don’t know,” and always deferring to what the group thinks. Beside THAT how do you feel? He or she treats each child individually. AND YET, THEY WERE THE ONLY CHURCH OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES THAT WAS THREATENED WITH THE REMOVAL OF THEIR LAMPSTAND! Looking back I see that God has taken me on another “long vacation.” He seems to have made me an expert in 9Marks churches. Their constant refrain is “examine yourself to see if you are in the faith.” They may deny this, but they have turned their focus away from Jesus, our Source of holiness. A group of well-meaning but tired elders might get highjacked by a bad strain of thinking in their meeting at 10 p.m. on a Thursday night. Ironically, saying “I don’t know” can help a pastor earn trust. Decisions to be covered included where to live and work, whom to marry, or even whether to make a doctor’s appointment. 9:13, 12:7. We are not a denomination. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Friend, buy old clothes and cars so that, for love’s sake, you can give more money away. The Pharisees were notorious for their oath taking. The thing is, sinners like us easily abuse the authority that God gives. Mark Dever helped me brainstorm fifteen marks for not being a 9Marxist, that is, not being a church leader who abuses authority. Brannon Howse – “I believe Mark Dever is a fake pastor.”. People with sincere questions were treated as “being factious, deceived, unsaved.” The reviewer himself, apparently, was excommunicated for bringing a registered sex-offender to the attention of the elders. In the video below, I chat with Mark McGuinness about how the importance of the right types of criticism, as well as how we can build resilience as writers in order to deal with the more difficult side of the inevitable. They lacked love. Now, you and I might disagree about what Scripture requires. Even if you’re 75 percent sure that your advice might be a matter of sin and righteousness, based on your deductive reasoning powers from Scripture, I hope that last 25 percent keeps you from pushing too hard. Copyright Todd Wilhelm, 2018, All Rights Reserved, "'Speaking the truth in love' has come to mean that you more or less praise everything, but above all, that you never criticise any view strongly, because, after all, there is a certain amount of right and truth in everything." Perhaps she has been abused at her former (9Marks?) So we don’t force. It is to shepherd real people toward life-giving, gospel-reminding relationships where they learn to trust God. We refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God. One attribute of authoritarianism is that it turns prudential “mays” (“you may join a small group”) into “musts” (“you must join a small group”). 9Marks churches tend toward a stifling form of self-righteous legalism. We’d do well to do the same. Strong charming people, finally, is not that different than strong-arming them. The Father seeks true worshipers that will worship in spirit and truth. But in the process they have destroyed and hurt. Which brings us to the next point…, Mark 9: Beware the easy potential to use God’s truth and justice as weapons. A proud person thinks he always knows, and a proud person is unwilling to be corrected. But if he were to consult 99.8% of the Greek manuscripts of Mark (plus lectionaries, in which Mark 16:9-20 is routinely found), he would find the passage that he rejects! The good news is that I will soon be entering a new age bracket! I hope you get my drift. Part of abusing authority, however, is claiming to know something you don’t. In the worse case, they will give answers where Scripture doesn’t actually give them, and impose on people what should not be imposed. But if you think that good preaching by a loving, qualified pastor based on sound doctrine that points the sheep to Christ and away from self, who reminds them of their former purification, who is inviting to strangers, who “holds the reins” loosely and lets the Holy Spirit lead the church, who assumes the best in the sheep, who gently woos people to submit based solely on their godly example and instruction, who encourages them to search the Scriptures for themselves, and who is patient when controversy or sin erupts, then 9Marks may not be a good place to congregate. From personal experience, I can say that disciplining and training my children is slow, inefficient work that consumes hours. Mark 9: Beware the easy potential to use God’s truth and justice as weapons. These 9Marks leaders misunderstand the issue of submission. He has an incredibly negative view of the sheep. Praise God. They had right doctrine. But this produces a challenge: some logical implications or applications are spot on, like the Nicene doctrine of the Trinity. Don’t Break the Ninth Commandment! Ah, how often we win the battle but lose the war, the marriage counselors tell us. They’ll point to the Bible…and say true things from it. But they did not learn the most critical lesson. Sometimes that response to untruth or injustice might be in earnest, but there is a lack of faith in God’s power to change someone. There's also a downloadable audio and text overview below. If the pastor and elders are impatient, immature, unkind, aloof, worldly, or double-minded, you can be certain you are in an unhealthy church. He lives with his wife and four daughters in Cheverly, Maryland, where he is an elder at Cheverly Baptist Church. Pragmatism, like authoritarianism, roots in a reliance on the powers of the flesh. Truth be told, I was a little disappointed with 9 Marks of a Healthy Church.The problem is not that it is a poor book but more that I had unrealistic expectations of it. God will resist the proud. West Ham captain Mark Noble may be considered by some as almost beyond criticism for his years of service to the club. This is another characteristic they share with 9Marks. It relies upon an open statement of the truth, not manipulative or underhanded ways (2 Cor. CONCLUSION. These churches rarely witness the extraordinary grace of God in the salvation of sinners. There’s a temptation young pastors and 9Marks-types are susceptible to: we can love our vision of what a church should be more than we love the people who comprise it. Never mind that the confessional statement may contain errors. 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